Re: Another BIG WIN! - Disconnect Letters

Dear Troy... just understand that those poor folks are as brainwashed by the promise as you were, and they too will get over it.... your love and concern will help them on that path.

The publicity afforded by the internet is vastly accelerating the time it takes for a cult member to realize whats going on..... I'd say, relax and understand that we all have to learn our own lessons.

Your family is learning its lessons..... only a few stay culties for the long term... and at that, only in senior management where the cash fine cars and servants are.

I don't think you should remind these loved ones of their culpability, they would see it as a threat, but some of us on ars will be reminding them publicly as follows:

Dear CoS staff... take care not to commit any crimes, of the sort that resulted in the prison sentences or what was done to Larry Wollersheim... if you do, in light of the fact that you know these are crimes, you could be held criminally liable.

The 22 indictments in Spain are the latest examples.... there will come a time, as in the Wollersheim case, when it will not be possible to bribe or pay of litigants.... and more people will go to prison.

An incorporated class action cannot be bought off, and the public of EXscientologists is in the hundreds of thousands, these are coming awake lately to what has been done to them. This does not bode well for the church.

Do not let this current management draw you into any of these situations. If you are asked to commit any of these acts, you should report it to the police or YOU could be held accontable in court.

*Advice to senior management.... settle all court cases, cease doing activities you have been criminally indicted for, and DELIVER services. Its LRH's prescription for survival... or is it that you don't really want that?

Phil

tsmir@netcom.com (Troy S. Miranda) wrote: >
> > Hello fellow netters. As you may have read in another thread I
> Hello fellow netters. As you may have read in another thread I > recently made public my wife's and my decision to leave the church of
> recently made public my wife's and my decision to leave the church of > scientology this past January. We kept it quiet at first because we knew
> scientology this past January. We kept it quiet at first because we knew > it would just cause upset within my wifes family as most of them are still
> it would just cause upset within my wifes family as most of them are still > in the CofS. We did not like operating like that but felt it was
> in the CofS. We did not like operating like that but felt it was > neccessary as we enjoyed being connected to our loved ones and felt it
> neccessary as we enjoyed being connected to our loved ones and felt it > should have no bearing on being part of the family.
> should have no bearing on being part of the family. >
> > Well, we are currently finding out differently.
> Well, we are currently finding out differently. >
> > My wife had also lost contact with her real dad 10 years ago when
> My wife had also lost contact with her real dad 10 years ago when > for some reason he left the CofS in Austin, Tx. He literally dissapeared
> for some reason he left the CofS in Austin, Tx. He literally dissapeared > with no way to get in contact, even lost contact with his parents. Within
> with no way to get in contact, even lost contact with his parents. Within > the last two years he got back in touch through mail with his parents.
> the last two years he got back in touch through mail with his parents. > My wife over the last two years had been wanting to get back in touch with
> My wife over the last two years had been wanting to get back in touch with > him and I was strongly opposed to it as we did not know for sure if he had
> him and I was strongly opposed to it as we did not know for sure if he had > been declared and that would have been a bad no-no for both my wife and
> been declared and that would have been a bad no-no for both my wife and > myself to continue up the bridge in the CofS. Once the threat of
> myself to continue up the bridge in the CofS. Once the threat of > 'no-bridge' was gone when we left the church we decided that we would talk
> 'no-bridge' was gone when we left the church we decided that we would talk > with whomever we decided to instead of letting some ridiculous church
> with whomever we decided to instead of letting some ridiculous church > policy decide for us.
> policy decide for us. >
> > My wife has a sister who is in the Sea Org on staff at Celebrity
> My wife has a sister who is in the Sea Org on staff at Celebrity > Centre International, in Los Angeles. I will not get into names as it
> Centre International, in Los Angeles. I will not get into names as it > would not be right at this point. For now I will refer to that sister as
> would not be right at this point. For now I will refer to that sister as > X. When X found out by accident (from my wifes grandparents, [X has a
> X. When X found out by accident (from my wifes grandparents, [X has a > different father and grandparents]) that she had been talking with her
> different father and grandparents]) that she had been talking with her > real dad the situation started getting out of hand. It came down to X
> real dad the situation started getting out of hand. It came down to X > calling my wife only to find out if my wife had 'paid her debt' to the
> calling my wife only to find out if my wife had 'paid her debt' to the > Cof$, a debt which is invalid I might add. X would not call to just talk
> Cof$, a debt which is invalid I might add. X would not call to just talk > as a sister but as an agent for the Cof$ only. This was because my wife
> as a sister but as an agent for the Cof$ only. This was because my wife > was back in contact with her real dad.
> was back in contact with her real dad. >
> > We got tired of this REAL quick! My wife finally told her sister
> We got tired of this REAL quick! My wife finally told her sister > about us leaving the church, this occured about a month ago. For the
> about us leaving the church, this occured about a month ago. For the > first few nights her sister called every single night trying to convince
> first few nights her sister called every single night trying to convince > us that we were on the wrong path. That is fine and I don't have a
> us that we were on the wrong path. That is fine and I don't have a > problem with that. What happened a few times though is that threats were
> problem with that. What happened a few times though is that threats were > made from X (and later said 'i was only joking...'). One of the threats
> made from X (and later said 'i was only joking...'). One of the threats > from X were: "I'm going to have your ass fucking investigated, and take my
> from X were: "I'm going to have your ass fucking investigated, and take my > sister back! (Los Angeles)" We currently live in Dallas, Texas. I was
> sister back! (Los Angeles)" We currently live in Dallas, Texas. I was > very angry that she was making these threats to me as I had not believed
> very angry that she was making these threats to me as I had not believed > everything on a.r.s but was finding out fast that they could definately be
> everything on a.r.s but was finding out fast that they could definately be > true. Needles to say, I outright told her to go 'fuck off!'. I do take
> true. Needles to say, I outright told her to go 'fuck off!'. I do take > some comfort in the fact that we have a number of arms and have been
> some comfort in the fact that we have a number of arms and have been > professionaly trained in their usage. But, like I said a few days later
> professionaly trained in their usage. But, like I said a few days later > she tried taking back those comments by saying that she was only joking.
> she tried taking back those comments by saying that she was only joking. > Only, when she said it though it came accross as a full out serious threat.
> Only, when she said it though it came accross as a full out serious threat. >
> > Luckily we were about to move into our own house a week later and
> Luckily we were about to move into our own house a week later and > had not given out our new address and phone numbers yet. We decided to
> had not given out our new address and phone numbers yet. We decided to > just have her family write to us via our P.O. Box until things cooled down
> just have her family write to us via our P.O. Box until things cooled down > and we were sure of their trust in not trying to pull any *clam*tricks*.
> and we were sure of their trust in not trying to pull any *clam*tricks*. >
> > The first letter that we got was from sister X. It was a
> The first letter that we got was from sister X. It was a > 'disconnect' letter that was addressed only to me. My wife later called X
> 'disconnect' letter that was addressed only to me. My wife later called X > and told her that we got her letter. X told her that it also applied to
> and told her that we got her letter. X told her that it also applied to > her and that her husband was also sending us a letter. Here it is in full
> her and that her husband was also sending us a letter. Here it is in full > (without names):
> (without names): >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------------------------- > 23 May 1995
> 23 May 1995 >
> >
> > Dear Troy,
> Dear Troy, >
> > I am writing to you to disconnect from you as you have
> I am writing to you to disconnect from you as you have > committed some Supressive acts toward the Church.
> committed some Supressive acts toward the Church. >
> > I do not wish to have any communication with you until
> I do not wish to have any communication with you until > you have cleared this up with the church.
> you have cleared this up with the church. >
> >
> > This is true,
> This is true, >
> > _sister_X_
> _sister_X_ > -----------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------------------------- >
> > We then received a letter from X's husband. It is on Celibrity
> We then received a letter from X's husband. It is on Celibrity > Centre letterhead.
> Centre letterhead. > -----------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------------------------- > Dear Troy and _my_wife's_name_, 24 May 95
> Dear Troy and _my_wife's_name_, 24 May 95 >
> > This is my last comm cycle or letter with you as I am
> This is my last comm cycle or letter with you as I am > disconnecting from both of you.
> disconnecting from both of you. >
> > You will probably both be declared SP's due to the SP acts
> You will probably both be declared SP's due to the SP acts > you are committing and have committed.
> you are committing and have committed. >
> > Due to this neither I or X can be in comm with you
> Due to this neither I or X can be in comm with you > until you both get your ethics in and make up the damage you've
> until you both get your ethics in and make up the damage you've > done.
> done. >
> > Please do not try to contact myself or X at any time as
> Please do not try to contact myself or X at any time as > we will only just refuse such communication. This is all I
> we will only just refuse such communication. This is all I > have to say.
> have to say. >
> > Sincerely,
> Sincerely, >
> > _husband_of_X_
> _husband_of_X_ > -----------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------------------------- >
> > We then got a letter from my wifes oldest sister, which I will
> We then got a letter from my wifes oldest sister, which I will > call Y. (can you tell I'm a programmer? :) Now this letter was the most
> call Y. (can you tell I'm a programmer? :) Now this letter was the most > sincere and was hand written. But, we had confided in her much earlier
> sincere and was hand written. But, we had confided in her much earlier > that we had left the church and she promised my wife that she would not
> that we had left the church and she promised my wife that she would not > 'disconnect' no matter what and she valued the familial connection. The
> 'disconnect' no matter what and she valued the familial connection. The > fact that suddenly she changed her mind and sent us a diconnect letter
> fact that suddenly she changed her mind and sent us a diconnect letter > tells me that her sister had pressure put on her by her boyfriend and her
> tells me that her sister had pressure put on her by her boyfriend and her > boyfriends family and co-workers (who are all in the CofS), or she may
> boyfriends family and co-workers (who are all in the CofS), or she may > have been down in Los Angeles and X put the pressure on Y herself.
> have been down in Los Angeles and X put the pressure on Y herself. >
> > Here is her letter:
> Here is her letter: > -----------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------------------------- > Dear _my_wife_ and Troy,
> Dear _my_wife_ and Troy, >
> > Well, you two seem determined about this "Church" thing.
> Well, you two seem determined about this "Church" thing. >
> > Because of the decision you two have made, I think it
> Because of the decision you two have made, I think it > would be a good idea if we ended cycle on our comm.
> would be a good idea if we ended cycle on our comm. >
> > I, I'm talking me here, am a part of the Church.
> I, I'm talking me here, am a part of the Church. > Because I'm in this group, I gotta abide by its rules, cause
> Because I'm in this group, I gotta abide by its rules, cause > when you're in a group, thats what you do. KSW1 points
> when you're in a group, thats what you do. KSW1 points > 7,8,9,10 hold some truth. As a Scientologist those points
> 7,8,9,10 hold some truth. As a Scientologist those points > are my responsibility, and if I don't keep them in, well then
> are my responsibility, and if I don't keep them in, well then > I am not much of a Scientologist or a group member. So, I'm
> I am not much of a Scientologist or a group member. So, I'm > making this decision based on that.
> making this decision based on that. >
> > I love you guys, and you know LRH says the door is always
> I love you guys, and you know LRH says the door is always > open, and do you know what? it is open. So, be good and take
> open, and do you know what? it is open. So, be good and take > care and hopefully I'll see ya down the road.
> care and hopefully I'll see ya down the road. >
> > Love,
> Love, >
> > _sister_Y_
> _sister_Y_ > -----------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------------------------- >
> > Unfortunately Y did not have a return address on her letter or we
> Unfortunately Y did not have a return address on her letter or we > would have written her back. For one thing, neither my wife nor myself
> would have written her back. For one thing, neither my wife nor myself > have received a declare, official or otherwise. They know where to send
> have received a declare, official or otherwise. They know where to send > it. And two of them contain general 'commiting suppressive acts'
> it. And two of them contain general 'commiting suppressive acts' > accusations that are (besides being totally funny to read) related to one
> accusations that are (besides being totally funny to read) related to one > of the points of an anti-social personality, according to church
> of the points of an anti-social personality, according to church > teachings. All three letters are actually breaking church policy, as far
> teachings. All three letters are actually breaking church policy, as far > as I understand, by disconnecting at this stage and I feel it is being
> as I understand, by disconnecting at this stage and I feel it is being > initiated by X at Celebrity Centre International. I honestly don't know
> initiated by X at Celebrity Centre International. I honestly don't know > if this is official from CC or if this is comming entirely from X (I don't
> if this is official from CC or if this is comming entirely from X (I don't > have telepathic powers as good as Koos yet ;). I will try to find this
> have telepathic powers as good as Koos yet ;). I will try to find this > out over the weekend and will post a follow up. Also, we don't know if
> out over the weekend and will post a follow up. Also, we don't know if > her mother has sent us a disconnect letter yet and I will update you all
> her mother has sent us a disconnect letter yet and I will update you all > on that too after making a run to our P.O. Box sometime over the weekend.
> on that too after making a run to our P.O. Box sometime over the weekend. >
> > Thank you for reading.
> Thank you for reading. >
> > Sincerely,
> Sincerely, > -Troy S. Miranda
> -Troy S. Miranda > Ex-Scientologist, 1995
> Ex-Scientologist, 1995