Re: Communication (for Danzig)

>From: an233587@anon.penet.fi (z. q. dANZIG)
>
> Hi RA, (Or should I say "Hello RA!"),
:)

> First, please call me Danzig, or if you must use initials, zq ;)
Ok.

> The short answer is hinder.
>
> But, contrary to popular opinion on arS, I cannot speak for him or
> another, nor they for me.
I take it you're talking about those who think every pro-Scn person is part of an official project of some sort. I do think the current crop are mostly on company time; but I don't think you're a part of that.

> I am a free person capable of independent
> thought, action and opinion. I can understand what Woody is trying to
> do, even though I don't personally agree with his methods.
Can you explain to me what he's trying to do? To me it looks like he's trying to fill the newsgroup with repetitious, mindless posts filled with buzzwords, in order to disrupt the flow of communication.

> I, like Woody, do not appreciate the blindly bigoted hate thrown our way
> because of the religious beliefs we choose to hold. He deals with it as
> he sees fit, as do I.
I think several of the critical posters have gotten into an extreme mindset. I am have mixed feelings about it. I don't think most of the harsh language and emotion comes from "blindly bigoted hate" of your beliefs, but rather the actions of your church. You'll notice in a.c.t there's no hatred vented at the Free Zoners, who believe things very similar to you; it's the -actions-, not the -beliefs- that get people upset.

There is also a fair amount of frustration at being stonewalled. When people ask a question 3 or 4 times and don't get an answer, or the answer they do get is filled with evasions, they tend to get upset.

Finally, the members of the official Project haven't exactly endeared themselves to us. PI's, the execution of the raid on Dennis, dirty tricks with phones, employers and elderly mothers; this stuff is just plain bad. Are there people who see Gene Ingram behind every bush? Yeah, OK. But this is not all imagined or made up.

If people are mad, there's a reason for it. I won't justify all the anger; but your church hasn't helped things.

> This, of course, flies in the face of those who portray all
> Scientologists as mindless "ronbots" who do, think and say everything
> the same.
I defy you to take 20 random posts by Woody, Aggy and Rick, cut off the headers and tell me who posted which. Can I tell them apart from Andy and Vera? Of course. But there is some truth to the "ronbot" label.

I think this goes deeper; the result of the TR's has to be people who react similarly, and the concept of "duplicate Ron" is pervasive. "Standard Tech" is a rallying cry of the church, but don't look askance at us for suggesting people who all get the exact same things done to them in the exact same way start to sound and act the same.

> It is useful for a bigot to portray the subject of his bigotry
> as something less than human, and thus not entitled to civil rights, or
> common decency. The fact is, the thousands of Scientologists I have
> personally known are quite a diverse lot, holding a wide range of
> opinions and having many different backrounds. Some where amongst the
> nicest and kindest people I have ever met. Others were dickheads.
I try never to forget that I'm dealing with individuals, who have real feeling and opinions. But I think the further into the church you get, the more that is pushed down and the more you are filled with what Ron thought.

> Thanks for asking...
My pleasure. I'm glad at this opportunity to actually talk substance with a Scientologist; it happens so rarely since the OSA types took over.

> Danzig
>
> P.S. It is 5/16/95 @ 19:15 GST and neither of the 2 posts I posted
> (Including the one you are responding to) have yet appeared on my board.
> In fact, a reply to my "Tarla Unmasked?" post has been posted, but not the
> post itself!! If I were an anti, I guess I'd be screaming "OSA". It is
> baffling that this keeps happening though.
I suspect the problem may be a short expire time, or something similar. I haven't seen any evidence of an anti-cancel-poodle. Since I followed it up, obviously I saw your post. :) I think your problem is more likely technical than the result of dirty tricks.

> P.P.S. You may post this if you like.
Will do.

RA

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