Re: Dead orgs

Side notes: I've got supporting evidence for my posting. I've got to sort and distill it, though. It's 39 pages long.

Congrats to Diane! You found 650 CoS cases?!? I'll leave that stuff to you, then. You are the Docket Goddess.

In article <084313Z01061995@anon.penet.fi>, <an170169@anon.penet.fi> wrote: >In article <3qir9s$f2l@netnews.upenn.edu>,
>In article <3qir9s$f2l@netnews.upenn.edu>, > Brett Achorn wrote:
> Brett Achorn <achorn@gradient.cis.upenn.edu> wrote: >>A search of Scientology incorporations showed about 270 churches
>>A search of Scientology incorporations showed about 270 churches >>or missions. Of those, about 95 were dissolved or suspended. For
>>or missions. Of those, about 95 were dissolved or suspended. For >>you math majors, that means that CoS has lost about 33% of its
>>you math majors, that means that CoS has lost about 33% of its >>orgs, at least on paper.
>>orgs, at least on paper. Checking further, it seems that only about 112 out of 254 orgs remain in good standing and active. I'll collate the data and post it in a little while.

That's a 44% survival rate.

>>NAME: CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY, MISSION SANTA BARBARA
>>NAME: CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY, MISSION SANTA BARBARA >>CORPORATE STATUS: SUSPENDED
>>CORPORATE STATUS: SUSPENDED >
> >It's no longer a mission, it's a full-blown Class V org.
>It's no longer a mission, it's a full-blown Class V org. >Yep -- expansion. Sorry to burst your bubble.
>Yep -- expansion. Sorry to burst your bubble. There have been 3 orgs in Santa Barbara. Only one (started 1994) remains.

>>NAME: CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY, MISSION OF LA JOLLA
>>NAME: CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY, MISSION OF LA JOLLA >>CORPORATE STATUS: SUSPENDED
>>CORPORATE STATUS: SUSPENDED >
> >It's now called the Coast Mission.
>It's now called the Coast Mission. What's the full name? I didn't find one.

>Do you have a date for this suspension?
>Do you have a date for this suspension? 04/10/1974

>There's been at least one other mission in San Diego, but it
>There's been at least one other mission in San Diego, but it >was in the Hillcrest/college area.
>was in the Hillcrest/college area. Church of Scientology Western United States was formerly named the Church of Scientology of San Diego

Church of Scientology Mission of Encinitas is in San Diego

There's a Church of Scientology of San Diego

There was a Greater San Deigo Scientology Church (suspended 1979)

There was another one started right after which was suspended 1987 (different address)

>>NAME: CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY, MISSION OF WALNUT CREEK
>>NAME: CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY, MISSION OF WALNUT CREEK >>CORPORATE STATUS: SUSPENDED
>>CORPORATE STATUS: SUSPENDED >
> >Again, this is now the Walnut Creek org. A rather large org, too.
>Again, this is now the Walnut Creek org. A rather large org, too. >Yep -- expansion.
>Yep -- expansion. I found no such org. What's the full name?

>
> >>NAME: CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY, MISSION OF HOLLYWOOD
>>NAME: CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY, MISSION OF HOLLYWOOD >>CORPORATE STATUS: SUSPENDED
>>CORPORATE STATUS: SUSPENDED >
> >Seeing as how most of their main buildings are in Hollywood, I'd
>Seeing as how most of their main buildings are in Hollywood, I'd >probably have to chalk this up to expansion too.
>probably have to chalk this up to expansion too. Address changes show up in the records as address changes. Name changes show up as name changes. I don't see what expansion is involved in having a corporation die.

>>NAME: GREATER SAN DIEGO SCIENTOLOGY CHURCH
>>NAME: GREATER SAN DIEGO SCIENTOLOGY CHURCH >>CORPORATE STATUS: SUSPENDED
>>CORPORATE STATUS: SUSPENDED >>
>> >>NAME: GREATER SCIENTOLOGY CHURCH OF SAN DIEGO
>>NAME: GREATER SCIENTOLOGY CHURCH OF SAN DIEGO >>CORPORATE STATUS: SUSPENDED
>>CORPORATE STATUS: SUSPENDED >
> >There's still a San Diego org. Different name, I suppose.
>There's still a San Diego org. Different name, I suppose. See above.

>>NAME: GREATER SCIENTOLOGY CHURCH OF CELEBRITY CENTRE LOS ANGELES
>>NAME: GREATER SCIENTOLOGY CHURCH OF CELEBRITY CENTRE LOS ANGELES >>CORPORATE STATUS: SUSPENDED
>>CORPORATE STATUS: SUSPENDED >
> >Turned into CC International. Now a Saint-Hill-Size org.
>Turned into CC International. Now a Saint-Hill-Size org. >Yep, expansion.
>Yep, expansion. Impossible. The Greater CoS CC LA org was created in 1980, after CoS CC Int (1970). CoS CC Int was renamed in 1984 from the CoS Celebrity Centre.

>>NAME: GREATER SCIENTOLOGY CHURCH OF PASADENA
>>NAME: GREATER SCIENTOLOGY CHURCH OF PASADENA >>CORPORATE STATUS: SUSPENDED
>>CORPORATE STATUS: SUSPENDED >
> >There's a Pasadena org.
>There's a Pasadena org. There was one created in 1993 and another in 1994. This one died in 1987.

>>NAME: GREATER SCIENTOLOGY CHURCH OF SANTA BARBARA
>>NAME: GREATER SCIENTOLOGY CHURCH OF SANTA BARBARA >>CORPORATE STATUS: SUSPENDED
>>CORPORATE STATUS: SUSPENDED >
> >Like I said above, there's a Santa Barbara org.
>Like I said above, there's a Santa Barbara org. That was started in 1994. There was one that died in 1987 and another that died in 1971.

>OK, I'm noticing a trend. It appears that the "Greater Scientology
>OK, I'm noticing a trend. It appears that the "Greater Scientology >Church" ones were simply reincorporated and renamed.
>Church" ones were simply reincorporated and renamed. >
> >Not dead orgs at all.
>Not dead orgs at all. Wrong. The Greater Minnesota, Sacramento, and Pennsylvania orgs are still around. Like I said, renaming shows up as renaming, not suspensions.

>>NAME: SCIENTOLOGY DISSEMINATION ORGANIZATION
>>NAME: SCIENTOLOGY DISSEMINATION ORGANIZATION >>CORPORATE STATUS: DISSOLVED
>>CORPORATE STATUS: DISSOLVED >
> >Oh man, this was what proceeded Bridge and Author Services.
>Oh man, this was what proceeded Bridge and Author Services. >Not a dead org either!
>Not a dead org either! This may have been converted over. However, most of the other cases I presented you haven't refuted. Remember, there were about 95?

Sorry, I've been looking at the information more closely, and it looks like I was even conservative in my estimates in the number of dead orgs in my first posting. It looks close to 142.

Of course, I'm searching on the name "Scientology". If you want to tell me about orgs that don't have that in their name, I'll add it to my list and adjust the values accordingly. I want to be accurate. However, I'll need full names or something very close with state and city info.

Brett --

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