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By Deana HolmesSun, 7 May 1995 19:59:06 -0600 (MDT)
[PART 7 OF 10 HISTORY OF COS & THE NET]
Another Scientology filk popped up on April Fool's day.
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My friend Lynn wrote this, and I thought some people here might get a chuckle out of it.
"L. Ron Ron" Copyright 1990 Lynn Gold
He keeps on writing novels though his life is through It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron! Some folks say it shows what Dianetics do It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron! Yeah, his life is through Yeah, what Dianetics do Yeah, when I saw the name It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron!
He wrote before he founded Scientology It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron! But soon he found religion makes bucks easily It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron! Scientology Makes bucks easily Yeah, Dianetics pays For L. Ron, Ron, Ron; for L. Ron, Ron!
Oooo... Oooo... It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron! Oooo... Oooo... It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron!
Twenty-two best sellers and there's more to come It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron! Heaven only knows where they're a-comin' from It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron! Yeah, more books to come Yeah, who knows where from Yeah, this I've gotta see From L. Ron, Ron, Ron; from L. Ron, Ron!
L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron! \ sing lots of times through It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron! / optional descant*
*Optional descant (lines constantly being added):
Dianetics...got their questionnaire in the mail And I threw it out...found it on my car window too
If you don't have a problem They'll find one and show you how they can fix it
Battlefield Earth...don't know what else he wrote And I don't care!
L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron!
-jcr Supressive and proud!
"I found a slug on the path this morning. I named it XENU!"
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Tony Sidaway struggled with trying to get milne to cough up information that milne said he had. As of yet, milne still hasn't posted the info.
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It's been nearly two weeks now since Andy Milne claimed that the church had this mysterious interview with the step-daughter of Snake Thompson that proved that Hubbard did not spin a yarn about the guy.
I have repeatedly asked him to prove such an interview took place and said what he claimed it said, by posting the transcript to the net.
No response.
He has continued to bang on about the Jonestown massacre, as if that did not reflect badly on religious cults in general, and armed, paranoid cults in particular.
He has refused point blank to answer a question about the church's attitude to homosexuality. This is of some concern to some homosexual church members, as a recent email exchange posted to this newsgroup showed.
He has challenged a fairly straightforward description of an important Scientology belief, called Event II. He claims it is a lie, but will not be more specific.
He declines to discuss the role of Mary Sue Hubbard in the illegal Operation Snow White, and how she kept her actions secret from her own husband.
All the time he shouts about the credibility of _other_ posters to the group.
He has even used the D word, on occasion.
I'd say he's hardly in a position to point the finger at anyone else.
-- Tony Sidaway tony@sidaway.demon.co.uk "The most horrible thing they have done is to put out hundreds of messages all over the net that say "free phone sex", with the scientologists' toll-free phone number on it: 1-800-367-8788" --an211810@anon.penet.fi "Poor little clams - snap! snap! snap!" --SubGenius Pope Charles of Houston
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SCAMIZDAT 2 was mailed through rahul.net--Homer's remailer. The ensuing fracas caused some to wonder whether Homer was on the side of the CoS.
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In article anonymous (anonymous@freezone.remailer) you wrote:
>SCAMIZDAT #3 2 April 1995
>Twenty-one documents from Scientology secret practices:
>(you may want to save this entire document before scientologists
>illegally attempt to cancel it)
>To contact the editorial staff post a message with the subject:
>including the word "SCAMIZDAT" to the group alt.religion.scientology.
Please do not post Church copyrighted material through my
remailer.
Homer
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Homer went further in a later post.
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Did not get through the first time... I think.
Dear Folks,
How do I put this politely?
I have already served my time in this war, I have already dealt with the lawyers, not as much as Dennis for sure, but more than the rest of you have for sure.
Now when I posted, it was openly not through anon remailers, but I understand the need for remailers and so I provide the service to the net community, AT SOME RISK TO MYSELF. Surely at no risk to the poster, eh?
The purpose of my remailer is not to post copyright violations, but to tell your story in your own words. That is purpose enough for remailers, if others want the burden of posting cracks, and copyrights and stolen state secrets and the formula for fire, well that is their business. Use remailer@prometheus.com.
The point is that when YOU post copyrighted stuff through my remailer *I* get in trouble and take the heat. You wouldn't want me to do that to you, now would you?
You may all think I am weak willed, and deserve to get in trouble for your postings because I am not standing up for free speech (yours) that gets *ME* nailed to a cross, but like I really care a lot about what you think, right?
So again I ask, please do not post anything through my remailer that will get *ME* in trouble.
Your apologies are accepted, now let's get on with the show.
Homer
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However, this didn't get him out of hot water with Helena Kobrin. She called him no less than three times. And Homer's actions, as I said above, caused people to wonder who he was trying to please.
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Dear Folks,
I received a polite call from Ms. Helena Kobrin today, legal counsel for the Church of Scientology, concerning a recent post of alleged Church copyrighted trade secrets through my Free Zone remailer at homer@rahul.net
She asked if I knew who posted it, and I told her that it had been chained. She also asked if I could cancel it, and I said no, but I meant more that it would be politically inexpedient to cancel it, rather than a physical impossibility.
I told her that she could have it canceled, and she responded by saying 'Well *I'm not canceling anything.' (not an exact quote.)
I told her that I have placed my remailer into moderation mode concerning a.r.s. and a.c.t. and all known gatesways leading to them, including mail to news gateways, so that any future posts through my remailer to these two groups will come to me for consideration.
I also directed her to my various responses to the posting along the SCAMIZDAT subject thread. I am highly annoyed that I have been put in this position.
I do not know what my proper course of action is. I probably can cancel the posting, I certainly would expect the Cancel Poodle IV to do so, and frankly he has my blessings on this one.
...
I just received a second call from Ms. Kobrin.
She asked me if I could tell her what remailer the posting came to my remailer through. I told her that she was pushing it asking for that data. We talked a bit about the present situation on the net and possible solutions to it, but she was unwilling to discuss the various strategies they are planning, and frankly I have no bright ideas about how to stop the postings.
She then pressed me on the subject of canceling the posting again, and I said I would do it. The posting will get reposted anyhow over and over whether or not I cancel it, it has all already been posted multiple times, so basically to show good faith, along with moderation of the remailer, I have agreed to cancel the posting.
Homer
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From: "Homer W. Smith" <homer@rahul.net> Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,comp.org.eff.talk,misc.legal Subject: HELENA KOBRIN CALLS 3rd TIME... Date: 4 Apr 1995 04:42:32 GMT Message-ID: <3lqino$emm@hustle.rahul.net>
I recevied a 3rd call from Ms. Helena Kobrin. She was interested in talking me into giving them the name of the earlier remailer that the posting SCAMIZDAT #3 came through.
I explained that my sworn written policy was that such data would only be given out with a court order. She mentioned that this could get 'expensive' for me.
I told her I have no choice in the matter, my reputation would be destroyed on the net if I renegged on the written statement in my remailer intro. 'This is SACROSANCT'.
The whole matter of why I keep logs comes up again. The primary justification for doing so, besides an effort to be somewhat responsible with a loaded gun, is the fact that Rahul Dehsi keeps sendmail logs like most systems do. Thus if I am pestered to forward a complaint to a sender, which is reasonable, I can forestall people from bothering Rahul with it, because I have the data at hand. Ms. Kobrin pointed out that if I do not cooperate with handing over the sender's address, it will end up on Rahul's desk anyhow.
I don't know what Rahul will do, he won't appreciate the situation, fortunately we will be leaving Rahul shortly for our own site. Whether I will be running a remailer there, I really don't know. This is creating serious PTSness for me.
In any case, finding the posting FOR SURE that came into me that eventually went to a.r.s. from the send mail logs will be dicey at best because the To: line will say homer@rahul.net, the sendmail logs do not record the Anon-To: a.r.s. etc.
Secondly by now, I am sure most of the remailer operators have burned their logs since they know a posse if coming for them.
Anyhow even if me and Ms. Kobrin do the 'expense tango', they will merely get a name of another remailer and they will go bother them. Most remailers do not keep logs, many not even send mail logs, and the probabilities are very high that they will run into a blank wall. However they will use the data to further harass the remailers in turn to get to the earlier remailer. The end result will be the harassment of the remailer operators, and not the original poster.
Which is why SOME solution to this problem must be found and fast, lest the entire remailer network go out of existence.
So I am sort of on the firing line. Again. There is no easy way out of this one, although I told her that if she got a court order or something signed by a real judge I would hand over the name of the prior remailer. Of course I might have gotten the name wrong, or the prior remailer could even have been a total forge. In any case its almost sure that there will be no logs at that remailer, as I am the only remailer that I know that keeps logs, for just such an occasion. A lot of good it is doing me.
Homer
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From: "Homer W. Smith" <homer@rahul.net> Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,comp.org.eff.talk,misc.legal Subject: OPEN LETTER TO HELENA KOBRIN Date: 4 Apr 1995 04:40:46 GMT Message-ID: <3lqike$eij@hustle.rahul.net>
Dear Ms. Kobrin,
You asked me for suggestions about what might be done concerning the present 'sit' on the internet. Here is one.
I will be frank with you. In the beginning the Church made a big mistake by asking the remailer operators to block access to the two news groups entirely. This enraged nearly everyone, even people who might have otherwise sided with the the Church.
The need of people to recount their stories and viewpoints anonymously and in safety is an overriding valid use of the remailers, and certainly morally overrides any financial concern over corporate copyrights and trade secrets. Put bluntly when it comes to a choice between the good of the people and the good of big business, the people will always win out, at least when the people are in control as they are on the internet.
However this is not to say that the corporate concerns are not valid too, and thus it behooves us to find a middle ground wherein the corporate concerns are considered as well, without trampling the people underfoot.
Here is my suggestion.
Consider writing a letter again to the various remailer operators and ask them to do what I have done with the two groups, which is NOT to block them entirely but to place them in moderation mode. This means all postings going to the two groups through their remailers, BY WHATEVER MEANS including mail to news gateways, will end up in their personal mail, to be scanned for obvious copyright violations and rejected if they don't want to be responsible for posting them. If one of them reposts something that is over the edge, you must promise to not hold them liable, and in return they would promise to cancel it at your direct AND PUBLIC request. That's a very fair deal. Those rejecting it would do so at their own risk.
This idea will certainly not go over well with many of the remailer operators, many of them feel that any oversight at all on postings going through their remailers makes them defacto responsible for all postings that go through. They are, for obvious reasons, trying to maintain 'common carrier' status, which in fact they legally do not actually have.
However such a request on your part will help you maintain the high moral ground, it will show good faith negotiation when you come in front of the Judges, it will mostly likely be looked upon with approval by the EFF, and it will not unduly block the overriding valid uses of the remailers.
Some of the remailers will choose to comply, and this will limit the number of sources that are giving you headaches. Some of the remailers will literally be unable to comply, because their code does not support moderation mode, and others will simply refuse for reasons of their own.
However the Church will win the wider approval of the internet community for this approach and possibly heal some of the damage for their first approach of requesting total blocking and trying to remove the group altogether, if indeed that was the Church or those working for the Church who did this.
I believe that the present situation of anarchy on the a.r.s. scene can not long continue. On one hand you have people posting anonymously things that allegedly violate the Church's rights, but on the other hand you have people canceling just as anonymously anything that even vaguely looks like LRH wrote it. This can only lead to spite postings and escalation of the war to other newsgroups.
Neither side is taking full responsibility for the bombs going off, but both sides are sort of silently approving of those that at leas go off in the 'enemies camp'.
If instead you initiated a FORMAL PUBLIC PROTOCOL by which postings could be declared copyrighted, and the remailer operators could be asked to either moderate or cancel after the fact, and the rights of normal people to post anonymously were not hindered in any way, and all this were above ground and not laden with legal presssure and threats, the Church might find a working relationship that would benefit them in the end.
I am not sure there will ever be a total solution to copyright violations on the net, and trade secrets can only stay secret just so long. It is quite possible that the time is up for Church trade secrets no matter what you do. On the other hand the NO RESPECT situation on the net is way out of hand, and that is the single most dangerous factor that is influencing people's behavior in present time.
My suggestion however is to form a WORKING, INTERACTIVE relationship of mutual respect and cooperation with the PEOPLE on the net, and the PEOPLE who oppose you. The Church may not get everything that they want, but they will most certainly get more than they are getting now.
Homer
P.S. Please remember that all private communication between us will be immediately posted verbatim to the net. That is one non negotiable condition for continued cooperative communication.
H.W.S.
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From: ao579@yfn.ysu.edu (Diane Richardson) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: HELENA KOBRIN CALLED ME TODAY... Date: 5 Apr 1995 07:04:14 GMT Message-ID: <3ltfde$s8a@news.ysu.edu>
homer@math.cornell.EUD (Homer Wilson Smith) writes:
>The Church could not possibly get away with canceling anything
>they didn't like merely based on critical comments. They
>could only get away with canceling those postings that were
>obvious infringements. Everyone knows what they are, the
>people who are posting them are posting them BECAUSE they are
>infringements, they want the world to know what LRH-L wrought.
>I do not believe that the Church would take to official
>canceling things that were not infringements, that would cause
>too much of a stirr, therefore I feel that the offer is safe.
I'm sorry, Homer, I hate to disagree with you, but I think
your suggestion to permit the "Church" of Scientology[tm] to
cancel at will is downright dangerous.
How can you insure that the "Church" wouldn't get away with canceling noninfringing posts that they didn't like? What if they begin cancelling posts they consider libellous? What if Helena Kobrin were to call you and demand that you remove a post because it defamed the organization, and stated that you would be a party to a defamation suit? Would you act any differently in that situation than you did in the actual situation?
Let's take this one step further. Assuming that the CoS received the cooperation of the majority of remailers and were allowed to cancel at will. How long do you think it would take before other interest groups (not just hate groups) began demanding the same privileges. Would you permit homophobic groups to cancel posts that they deemed offensive? Why should the CoS be granted privileges on Usenet that other organizations aren't afforded?
Diane Richardson ao579@yfn.ysu.edu
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From: raoul@athena.mit.edu (Nico Garcia) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: HELENA KOBRIN CALLED ME TODAY... Date: 5 Apr 1995 06:33:07 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <RAOUL.95Apr5023307@marinara.mit.edu>
In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950404112319.18071K-100000@math> homer@math.cornell.EDU (Homer Wilson Smith) writes:
The Church knows full well what it can cancel and what it can't. They would never take to canceling non infringing things officially. As it is, they have renegades doing it for them, who sometimes cancel things out of ignorance or petty spite that ARE not infringing. If The Church could OFFICIALLY be given permission to cancel they could come out strongly and denounce non official cancellations as they make the Church look bad and are done 'in the name of the Church or for the Church' without proper authority.
No. If we assume that their main goal in this is to prevent public awareness of their ludicrous claims and documents, then they will use *any* and *all* means to stop it. Public personas, like Ms. Kobrin, will do publicly acceptable acts. Private ones, like the CancelPoodle, will continue to act in secret, unabated. And the effect of officially cooperating with them is to lend credence and legitimacy to any questionable claims on their part, and to reduce the publication of the awkward secrets, at least the properly copyrighted ones.
Now, Ms. Kobrin need not know the names, identities, or exact goals of the CancelPoodle for this to be true. But we have seen absolutely no effort on the part of her, or any scientology representatives (except a couple of members here who have apparently not "attained" the higher levels) to prevent the illicit cancellations. Ms. Kobrin is running out of options. The legal threats and rmgroups didn't work, the assault on Dennis and Tom and Julf didn't work well, now she will go after people like you.
You know when poachers almost wiped out the alligator in Africa for their skins, the answer was not to outlaw alligator hunting, but COMMERICALIZE IT. This put the poachers out of business, provided the skins that were needed, and increased the numbers and survivability of the alligators using the profits from the skins. Same principle applies.
True. Scientology should commercialize their inner secrets, making them available for specific prices and by specific methods other than the Net posting that provides it now. But they don't want to permit *anyone* to know the alligators are really cardboard cutouts: ergo, they try to shoot anyone who even *looks* at an alligator.
Nico Garcia raoul@mit.edu My opinions are my own, not MIT's or my employer's or my cat's (Well, maybe my cat's....)
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On the lighter side, another poster decided to present us with wins from the Church of Sociology.
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42 year old woman in Davis, CA, never had orgasm. After auditing a class in anthropology, experienced MO's with SO.
17 year old boy from Midwest, had never seen ocean, beach or live clam. Held clam by finger for first time and became immediately CLear As Mud (CLAM). Became beachcomber and surfer.
29 year old unemployed woman, went clam digging with CoS group, had successes because she had been a sociology major in previous academic career. Dug four clams and became CLAM during clambake that very evening!
Japanese earthquake victim was taught to read by CoS initiative, then brought to Pacific Northwest to go clamming. Mouth was unlocked when he dug his very first clam. By evening's end he was CLAM and rollicking with his new SO behind a dune.
------------------------------------------------------------- For more information on the Church of Sociology, write: mr_x@phantom.com. You will receive important information about the church, and you will receive your first Monterey County court date (all church adherents are sued, immediately and as often as possible).
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Jeff Jacobsen reported on April 4 that his long distance service had been attacked--he thought by the CoS. Homer Wilson Smith reported a similar tactic had teen used against his long-distance carrier.
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I got a call this afternoon from my phone company. A woman this morning called to get information off my phone bill. But I have a pass code on my bill account. When the woman was asked for the pass code, she hung up. Later, a man with a New England accent called saying he was Jeff Jacobsen and he lost the last page of his phone bill and needed information from it. When this man was asked for the pass code he said "wildcat" (nope, not even close). Then he was asked to give his social security number, and that wasn't mine either. The operator wouldn't give him any information so he hung up. Later, "Jeff" called saying his voice messaging wasn't working and could they get the messages from it. Again he was asked for the pass code and again he didn't know the pass code, so he hung up. Later, "Jeff" called the third time at 3:45pm and said my long distance service was not working. Now I am on line with "Judy" from US West who has connected me to MCI for some reason. I don't trust "Judy".
Below is how to prevent others from hacking your phone bill in the US.
Handling crank callers:
1) hang up on the crank caller/cultish jerk 2) pick up the phone again and dial *57 3) follow instructions
This will cost you $1.50 each time you do it, but this also records what phone number the crank caller was calling from. This way the police (not you) can look at the phone logs and see who the crank caller is.
Protecting your phone bill
Your phone bill is in the computers at your phone company. An unscrupulous person/cultish jerk might call pretending to be you and ask about certain long distance calls, and thus get information about who you call. To prevent this;
1) call your local phone company 2) ask them to put a code on your phone bill. 3) think up and give the nice phone co. employee your code 4) keep your code in a *safe place*.
Now if someone calls pretending to be you they will need your pass code to get information. The phone company will keep track of anyone trying this.
Other handy tips
Get caller ID if available. I think it's $6.95/mth here. Never assume a stranger on the phone is who they say they are. Have your phone bill sent to your post office box, not your home. If someone calls saying they are cleaning out the lines in your area, and to please keep your phone off the hook with a cloth around the mouthpiece, just hang up. If someone calls saying they are a reporter, ask which paper, then call that paper and ask for that person again.
-- ------------ cultxpt@primenet.com Jeff Jacobsen PO Box 3541 Scottsdale AZ 85271 For Info on Scientology anonymous ftp.primenet.com /users/c/cultxpt OR <a href="http://rnewman.www.media.mit.edu/people/rnewman/scientology/">http://rnewman.www.media.mit.edu/people/rnewman/scientology/</a> OR <a href="http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~sloth/sci/sci_index.html">http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~sloth/sci/sci_index.html</a>
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From: cultxpt@primenet.com (Jeff Jacobsen) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: You too can be harassed for free! Date: 4 Apr 1995 23:53:04 GMT Message-ID: <3lsm50$po4@news.primenet.com>
Here's how to get harassed by a cult known as Scientology;
1) learn about them 2) discover they are anti-societal thugs 3) begin to publicly criticize their thuggery 4) do it a bunch until they get pissed off at you 5) sit back and enjoy the harassment or 5a) get pissed off yourself and try to expose them even more
Here's what's happened to me since we picketed March 13 (and I assume this was the straw that broke the camel's back);
Eugene Ingram, crack Scientology private investigator (wanted in Tampa Florida for impersonating a police officer), comes to my place of business and takes flash pictures of me. The next night he goes to my sister's house saying he is investigating me and wants to know how much money I made the night before. My sister runs him off. A while later he hangs out in my neighborhood so much the neighbors become suspicious and take his license plate number down (Colorado plates). Eugene waits until the grownups go inside, then talks to a 13-year old neighbor kid about me, showing a picture he took of me at work. The neighbors call the police. Eugene disappears, but comes by again after the police leave. I am served a subpoena to give a deposition in a case I know nothing about. Moxon and Bartilson, Scientology attorneys, include a check for $40 as a "witness fee". My phone is attacked four times in one day (see previous post) to try to get phone numbers of those I call long distance. This does not succeed.
So what's next I wonder? This wonderful, civic-minded, tax-exempt organization makes the above a regular practise against those it considers to be enemies of the church. Much worse than the above has been done to many people, but since the above is current, I thought you might like to read about it. And like huheyniaman said, there's much more to come...
-- ------------ cultxpt@primenet.com Jeff Jacobsen PO Box 3541 Scottsdale AZ 85271 For Info on Scientology anonymous ftp.primenet.com /users/c/cultxpt OR <a href="http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/rnewman/scientology/home.html">http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/rnewman/scientology/home.html</a> OR <a href="http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~sloth/sci/sci_index.html">http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~sloth/sci/sci_index.html</a>
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In a very astute and prescient post, Grady Ward outlined his plans for dealing with a possible raid.
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So I've been warned to expect some "action" up here soon from Helena K. Kobrin, the 'ho of babble-on, and scientology fighting mollusc.
I've got to compile my pre-raid checklist (please add/edit items as appropriate)
(1) Warn kids to expect early morning visitors; (2) Make sure 10 gigabytes of various storage are "cleaned and pressed"; (2.5) Everything is encrypted to avoid snooping personal files; (3) Make sure multiple offsite backups are up to date; (4) Make sure camcorder has plenty of extra charged batteries; (5) Alert media that videotape will on the way to them from their local affiliate via satellite on the big day; (6) Assemble phone numbers of local media for immediate briefing; (7) Make sure anything by L Ron Hubbard is mulched (this step is easy 'cause my house has always been a Hubbard free zone);
Other precautions include making sure the bathrooms are off-limits Back up cameras, hidden "wires". Lock up valuables to prevent theft by scientologists Plenty of Raid heavy duty bug bomb to clean up after they go. Imagine what the Federal Judge will say to Kobrin after their raid produces no evidence. File complaint with California Bar and contemplate multi-million dollar suit against Kobrin personally and scientologists for various damages.
Did I leave out anything? -- Grady Ward +1 707 826 7715 (voice / 24hr FAX) grady@netcom.com
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In light of the continued posting of SCAMIZDAT, Nico Garcia decided to post a synopsis of Operating Thetan III, a synopsis which he felt was within the fair use of the copyright.
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In article <RAOUL.95Apr4201224@marinara.mit.edu> raoul@athena.mit.edu (Nico Garcia) writes:
I'll be posting some posts to a.r.s. tonight that are, I believe, Fair Use, but describe *exactly* what they don't want us to know about. Remember: Ms. Kobrin and her employers do not care about netiquette, personal libel, law, copyright, independent verification, or free speech. She is paid to protect the secrets and reputation of the Church of Scientology, and attempts to do so the utmost of her ability. Examine her behavior *only* in that light, and you will see exactly what she is doing and what she will do next.
And, for an example of what they cancel, see below, posted under Fair Use (near as I can tell).
OPERATING THETAN, Section Three
The head of the Galactic Federation [ Note: ludicrous political situation described in original note here ] solved overpopulation [ ludicrous numbers invented for original text ] by mass implanting. He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-Bomb on the principal volcanoes (Incident II) and THEN the Pacific area ones were taken in boxes to HAWAII and the [ Hawaii didn't exist 75,000,000 years ago, the time described in this note. Of course, we didn't understand continental drift when L. Ron wrote this drivel, so of course his recollection of these "Incidents" is wrong in every verifiable detail not understand by L. Ron's limited science knowledge. ] Atlantic area ones to LAS PALMAS and then re "packaged". His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading data by means of circuits etc. was placed in the implants.
The slaughtered Galactics are, according to the inner documents of scientology such as Section III and Section V, the source of all power and the physical universe. They are reincarnated not only as our bodies, but groups of them are re-consitituted as individual bad thoughts of ours. Any bad thought we have, such as criticisms of Scientology, are the work of these "thetans, and they must be "audited" and "cleared" for us to be free of them. This is why "bad" ideas are called "entheta", for example anyone who publishes the price list or explains the secrets of scientology without paying them $400,000 dollars to reach the inner levels is "spreading entheta".
Auditing involves paying between $70 and $100/hour to hold 2 soup cans wired to an "e-meter", which is only explained after you are deeply into the training as measuring "mental mass", or measuring the reactions of your "thetans". This "e-meter" is a glorified resistance meter, a simple polygraph device built with 30 year old technology and sold for $5000 a piece. Anyone who wants a copy of the schematic can find it on the FACTnet ftp site, or I can mail it to them.
Nico Garcia raoul@mit.edu My opinions are my own, not MIT's or my employer's or my cat's (Well, maybe my cat's....)
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Joining his fellow Scientologists who could not understand what a killfile was, L. Sobocinski demonstrated his inability to understand how anonymous names were allocated at anon.penet.fi . He was sure his account had been hacked, and no amount of information could budge him.
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If you are posting pro-Scientology or pro-LRH material, or challenging the anti-Scientologists who post in A.R.S., watch out for the following tactic:
Apparently, someone can take out an anon.penet.fi ID for you without your consent, and then post whatever they want to against the anonymous ID. The first notice you get will be messages from anon.penet.fi "acknowledging" your "anonymous posts". By the time you know that some ill- intentioned person is doing this, it is too late.
I had to cancel my PRODIGY ID because of this....there was a chance that confidential church materials were being sent to a.r.s. or to individual email boxes, all "from" this anonymous ID.
If this is true, then no one is safe, and this Bulletin Board cannot be called a "dialogue" at all. I don't have the option of loading Scientology's opponents' mailboxes with obscene messages, hate mail etc., nor can I in good conscience play the kind of electronic "dirty tricks" on them that have been played on me. I have to fight with both hands tied behind my back, since I will not stoop to psychiatric/squirrel methods. So, look out for email fraud from anti-Scientologists. Best, L. Sobocinski
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Grady Ward was understandably skeptical, while others warned of CoS tampering of their own mail.
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L. Sobocinski (76523.2236@CompuServe.COM) wrote: : to psychiatric/squirrel methods. So, look out for email : fraud from anti-Scientologists. Best, L. Sobocinski
Like the rest of us have been putting up with scientologist forged cancels?
I'm not clear (so to speak) why you don't use your remote-viewing, exterioriation skills to prevent all the dissenters from getting their way? Did they take a vacation this week? Were you "falsly attested" to be an OT8? -- Grady Ward +1 707 826 7715 (voice / 24hr FAX) grady@netcom.com
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Re: " A warning to Pro-LRH Posters" Message-ID: <noringD6KprB.FH0@netcom.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 17:54:46 GMT
In article L. Sobocinski <76523.2236@CompuServe.COM> writes:
>I have to fight with both hands tied behind my back, since I will not stoop
>to psychiatric/squirrel methods. So, look out for email fraud from anti-
>Scientologists. Best, L. Sobocinski
Good advice. But it works both ways: Everybody look out for e-mail fraud
from Scientology supporters.
Jon Noring
(Is Mr. Sobocinski's post a prediction of things to come?)
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From: wbarwell@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (William Barwell) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: " A warning to Pro-LRH Posters" Date: 5 Apr 1995 15:57:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3lv08m$qrj@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>
In article <3lv01d$qgk@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>,
William Barwell <wbarwell@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> wrote:
In article <3lujh3$fqa$1@mhadg.production.compuserve.com>,
L. Sobocinski <76523.2236@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>If you are posting pro-Scientology or pro-LRH material,
>or challenging the anti-Scientologists who post in A.R.S.,
>watch out for the following tactic:
>
>Apparently, someone can take out an anon.penet.fi ID for
>you without your consent, and then post whatever they want
>to against the anonymous ID. The first notice you get will
>be messages from anon.penet.fi "acknowledging" your
>"anonymous posts". By the time you know that some ill-
>intentioned person is doing this, it is too late.
>
>I had to cancel my PRODIGY ID because of this....there was
>a chance that confidential church materials were being sent
>to a.r.s. or to individual email boxes, all "from" this
>anonymous ID.
More 'n' likely you sent a snot-o-gram through e-mail to somebody
posting to ARS through Penet.fi. When you do that, Penet.fi
automatically gives you an account number. You simply don't understand
Penet.
Believe us, nobody would bother to imitate you, as you are bad enough you don't need any further discrediting.
Pope Charles SubGenius Pope Of Houston Slack! Poor little clams! Snap! Snap! Snap! Poor little clams! Snap! Snap! Snap!
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Martin Hunt received a visit from a local policeman on April 6th.
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A policeman knocked on my door today; he was very polite, and had some computer printouts of some posts from ars in his hands. He told me he got the posts from a woman in Vancouver. I showed him some books on Scientology, and told him about the criminal nature of Scientology, which he seemed mildly interested in. He tiold me that the woman in Vancouver from Scientology claimed the printouts were written by me; I corrected him on that, and discussed with the sergeant how easy it is to forge posts on the Internet, and how I had had trouble in the past with forged posts to ars, and forged mail from some hacker who broke into my account.
The cult seems to want to silence me; should I give in and quit posting to ars? Or should I continue to voice my opinion about the criminal nature of Scientology?
In any case, they seemed determined to frame me; the cult has no proof that I wrote these posts, in fact they may have written them themselves in an effort to discredit me. Yet, even though they have no proof whatsoever of any wrongdoing on my part, they have seen fit to make an effort to have the local police investigate me in my own house.
I will say further that the posts the sergeant showed me do not contain any copyright material; I may assume that the cult has given up trying to claim that I posted their copyrighted material, and instead has focused on silencing me through threats and harrassment.
I wonder how many people, when confronted with this kind of action, simpkly buckle-in? How many say to themselves why should I keep fighting the cult? Why should I be the one to take the fall? Why should I stick my neck out?
When I look at my son, I have the answer.
All I can say is I need some legal advice, and I could use some support; if the EFF is listening, can you tell me what I should do? What are my rights? Do I have a case against the cult for lying to the police about me, and claiming that I made certain questionable posts to the INternet? Is this sort of thing actionable?
Should I wait for the inevitable backpeddaling, or should I launch a counter-strike?
Make no mistake; first, they want to stop the illegal posting of their copyrighted materials. Then they want to sue people for speaking their minds about the cult. Then they want to close this newsgroup down, and silence all their critics.
Look for slander and libel cases next; these copyright things are just the warm-up.
ttyl, <I hope>
-- "These poor bozos think they're clams, not human beings, so what do you expect them to do except hide in the mud, spurt at random, and end up in the chowder?" - Stella. Cogito, ergo sum. Martin Hunt, av282@freenet.carleton.ca
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