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By Deana HolmesSun, 7 May 1995 20:05:19 -0600 (MDT)
[PART 9 OF 10 HISTORY OF THE COS & THE NET]
Denunciation from the denizens of a.r.s was swift.
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Vera Wallace <vera@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Eric Walker - who is on as "Modemac"
BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
What a great revelation, Vera. You revealed my human name to the Net - something that I've been doing for months. I gave my human name out in my .sig file for the better part of a year. I wrote a letter to CoS with my human name. I handled the RFD and CFV for a Usenet newsgroup (soc.support.youth.gay-lesbian-bi) under that name. Many people on the Net know my human name.
It doesn't matter. You don't have anything on me, and I am Modemac. I've been Modemac since 1987, and as far as I'm concerned, it IS my name. Even my friends off the Net like to call me "Modemac" as a nickname. I chose that name because I like it.
Snap away, Vera. You have nothing! All you do is prove that the OSA is keeping files on all the users of this newsgroup. -- +---------------------------------------+ | Reverend Modemac (modemac@netcom.com) | +-------------+ "There is no black and white." +------------+ | First Online Church of "Bob," A Subfaction of the Excremeditated | | Congregation of the Overinflated Head of L. Ron Hubbard | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ FINGER modemac@netcom.com for a FREE SubGenius Pamphlet!
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From: jlyons@haven.ios.com (John) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Names of ars posters Date: 12 Apr 1995 01:26:21 GMT Message-ID: <3mfa7t$elr@ankh.iia.org>
Quid pro quo, "Vera".
Name, address and phone number, please.
Time to be upfront.
-- | Awake! for Morning in the Bowl of Night | John | Has flung the Stone | jlyons@haven.ios.com | that puts the Stars to Flight | who is on as John Lyons you clueless cultie fucks
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology From: Tony@sidaway.demon.co.uk (Tony Sidaway) Subject: Re: Names of ars posters Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 01:50:10 +0000 Message-ID: <797651410snz@sidaway.demon.co.uk>
In article <3met9p$rf2@mars.earthlink.net> vera@earthlink.net "Vera Wallace"^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Andy Milne,surely! writes:
> I believe in free speech and freedom on the net. I also believe that
> it is my right to publish the names of the true identities of
> individuals on the net who are taking actions which threaten those
> freedoms by their irresponsibility.
Please justify this statement. What acts of irresponsiblity are
you referring to? Posting articles critical of scientology?
Take a trip to any other alt.religion group, Andy. You will see
the same. This is what free speech means.
> There have been instances of ars being used for illegal purposes in-
> cluding to make death threats (in the case of Martin Hunt), to
Substantiate this.
> illegally distribute copyrighted materials (in the case of Dennis
> Erlich and others),
arguably
< to advocate illegal activities be taken against
> Scientologists (this came out recently from an anon poster),
who was almost certainly a scientology stooge
> and use
> of the net as a forum to foment bigotry and hate crimes.
in your humble opinion, Andy.
>
> I believe that this type of activity is not really an expression of
> freedom of speech and will ultimately cause legislators to start
> making restrictions on the net which will penalize us all. Laws are
> generally made to protect the majority from the criminal minority but
> end up restricting the rights of everyone equally.
You just want to stop us criticising your religion.
How are you going to stop me, Clara, Peter, Ashraf, Tilmann,
and all the other non-US posters? Do you think you could stop
us, even assuming you could make the legislators listen to
you whining?
>
> Those who are using this newsgroup to criticize are free to do so,
> however, IMHO there are those who are using it to create hatred and
> bigotry.
So you say. Please substantiate this claim.
> This I believe is morally wrong. Thus, if I learn the
> true identities of anyone on this newsgroup, I will publish them so
> that all can see who is behind such acts.
You use a non-specific charge of bigotry to justify a general
act of hostility on your part. What's wrong with this picture?
> If anyone has the name of
> an anonymous poster or a poster using a false identity and you do not
> wish to reveal the name yourself, send it to me and I will publish
> them.
This is true to your nature, Andy.
> There is nothing illegal about this whatsoever and any attempt
> to make it seem so is bs. So far we have:
It may be illegal to intimidate people in this way.
Keep it up. More great wins for scientology. -- Tony Sidaway
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology From: clara@holsoft.demon.co.uk (Clara) Subject: Re: Names of ars posters Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 00:06:13 +0000 Message-ID: <19950412.002327.68@holsoft.demon.co.uk>
In article <3met9p$rf2@mars.earthlink.net>, vera@earthlink.net (Vera Wallace) wrote:
> I believe in free speech and freedom on the net. I also believe that
> it is my right to publish the names of the true identities of
> individuals on the net who are taking actions which threaten those
> freedoms by their irresponsibility.
>
> [rest of diatribe cut]
Good. As we say in my country, "what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the
gander". Or, to put it another way, it is time for the TRUE name behind the
mask of "vera wallace" to be revealed. You are quite high up in the
organisation, aren't you? Oh yes, you are high up all right. Access to all
kinds of information that you could have obtained only through the
cooperation of fellow Scientologists.
Like Dennis's letter, which you could only have obtained from Helena Kobrin's office. Like the IDs of various posters to ars. You have had the authority to post this information. You haven't needed anyone's permission, have you?
And all the time, playing the clueless vera. Good troll, was it "Vera"? Of course YOU are allowed to read critics' posts. But you are very selective about posting yourself. Others beneath you have carried out the mundane postings. Have you "handled" ars well, Vera? Was this going to be your big triumph?
Shame really. You have been panicked, haven't you? Suddenly, everything is out of control. That is why you are rushing to "out" your critics. Sheer desperation. "Milne" boobed in a big way. You were holding back the names and then "Milne" got carried away. So you have been forced into battle at a time not of your choosing. And that is a recipe for disaster.
You are going to get "pulled", Vera. You have screwed up all the way through this campaign. You have completely misjudged both the mood of the net community and the resolve of the critics of your nasty festering cult. RPF beckons. Or maybe you are too high up even for that. Maybe you are too deeply implicated in the crimes of the organisation for you to be able to get out before the whole stinking mass collapses on top of you.
Am I trying to provoke you? Of course I am. The more I can provoke the evil beings who organise and carry out the mind terrorism devised by the fat toad Hubbard, the happier I will be.
And I am happy to speculate which of the following events will happen next:
1. You have your network account pulled. 2. The organisation take you off the ars project. 3. You get "outed" by one of the critics.
I don't care - any of these would make us very happy indeed. Hope you can sleep at nights, you sad, sad "woman".
-- Clara faithful nun supplicant of the Rev. Mutha Tarla, member of the Little Sisters of the Perpetually Juicy;
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology From: grady@netcom.com (Grady Ward) Subject: Re: Names of ars posters Message-ID: <gradyD6wJxn.IB@netcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 03:20:11 GMT
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