The latest on Vera is that she seems to have taken on legal training.
She now sounds a great deal like Helena Kobrin, Church Lawyer, and
very little like her former lusty, vivacious self. The sighs of many
unrequited Scientology critics can be heard around the newsgroup, as
the cute air-headed 20 year old suddenly becomes a tough as nails
Scientology lawyer.
Before her lawyer phase, Vera became famous during the notorious
"outing" of TarlaStar, a prominent, but not particulary threatening,
anti-CoS poster. Vera wrote a public message giving that worthy
user's real name, address and phone number in a public post, and
including some nicely veiled theats that implied possible
unpleasantness.
This message from Vera tells us her side of the settlement with Earthlink, where she agreed
to not out people in public, while reserving the right to do so in
e-mail. She believes that the practice is neither illegal nor
unethical, and claims that Earthlink personnel could not find any
specific rules or laws against it.
Vera has recently published long, careful attempts at reasoned
criticism of anti-COS users. In other words, she has taken on the
role and much of the style of Milne, who seems conspicuous by his
absence. The summary of her postings shows this split personality
very clearly.
Previously, Vera was loved by many anti-Scientology posters due to the
sheer awfulness of her insults. She loves to call Scientology critics
"fat", as though that has anything to do with their opinions. After
the "outing", she became significantly less loved, with many people
issuing stern complaints to her system administrator.
Her personality and likeability seem to have declined dramatically
with her new image as an "official" COS poster.
My previous picture of her was as a slim anorexic who desperately
needs a half-decent meal. Poor Vera. Now, however, she might have
the even worse fate of being Andy Milne or Helena K, church
attorney.
tlash@tcp.co.uk (Tom Lasher)
Another Clambot, Tom greatly resembles Woody in his early days. He
may even BE Woody.
He tries to pretend to be British, but the messages he sends are
transparently forged. If you wish to drop him a line, send it to
tlash@mach3.directnet.net.
Strangely enough, directnet does not respond to telnet or finger
requests, even though there is an entry for whois. It may be a site
connected via UUCP.
Robert Marcus (102020.1551@compuserve.com)
Coherence of Content: Dreadful
Level of Interest: Threats; a real killer of a guy
Relevance: Low to moderate
Repetitiousness: Ultimate; see below.
Courtesy: None whatsoever; you wouldn't want to meet him in a dark alley
Humour: None
Robert Marcus is now best known for his death threat to Diane
Richardson, where he said that she was coming closer and closer to
"six feet under". Most posters to ARS were quite outraged by this.
Here are various reactions to his
threat, most of which contain the complete text of the original
(or close enough thereto).
He later wrote a very strange apology, which included a quote of
Rodney King's famous "Can't we just get along" speech. I must say
that his way of getting along (by wishing them six feet under!) is
rather unique and refreshing! We all deeply appreciate these
brilliant insights, of course. :-)
Before he became famous, however, he was best known for a long message
he wrote saying that he was leaving ars because they were on the side
of death and not life. There were two notable things about this
message: First, the tone was insultingly rude, and second, he must
have had a hard time actually leaving the newsgroup, since we've now
seen the identical post four times and counting.
When he first entered the newsgroup, he wrote odd messages like this
one:
Lemme put it in simply terms you will never
understand -- The criminal [you] only sees others as he himself is.
Too bad you are in such protest over your own survival.
When I first wrote about Mr Marcus, I said, "This one's even duller
than the average Clambot. A must-kill." Looks like he's advanced to
being a must-read, at least due to his threats.
davisr@kaiwan.com (Rick Davis)
Same as Rick Sherwood/Woody (see above).
dwtripp@aol.com (Wolf Tripp)
Coherence of Content: Excellent
Level of Interest: High
Relevence: High
Courtesy: Very good
Repetitiousness: None
Humour: None
A very interesting poster, this person likes the "Tech" and defends
the Scientology organization in many ways, while conceding that services are
somewhat overpriced and management has some problems.
He claims that he got a great deal from Scientology when he was in it,
and that he has effectively "graduated" from the Church, having
learned all it had to teach him.
stus@3adata.com (Stu Sjouwerman)
Coherence of Content: Excellent
Level of Interest: High
Relevance: High
Repetitiousness: None
Courtesy: Very Good
Humour: None
This surprising late entry to the Scientology sweepstakes gave a
highly intelligent and coherent explanation of the CoS position.
Looks like another Milne, but less frequent postings make him sensible
to read.
(I have been told that he left for a while and is now back).
dlt@covina.lightside.com (David Talbot)
Coherence of Content: Ok
Level of Interest: Dull
Relevance: Low
Courtesy: Low
Repetitiousness: Some
Humour: None
Boring insults of Scientology critics. Nothing at all interesting
about him.
Tony: "Has recently been used for dull but coherent expressions of
Scientologists' points of view."
chris@lightside.com (Chris Miller)
Coherence of Content: Ok
Level of Interest: Oh dear, you don't want to know
Relevence: High
Repetitiousness: Medium
Courtesy: Mean
Humour: None
Chris has now moved up in the Pro-Scientology world. Before, s/he
[her/his sex is a great mystery and major topic of conversation on
ars; see below] looked like a boring Talbot clone; here was my
description of her in the pervious edition:
Same as David Talbot.
Now, however, s/he has gotten considerably more famous, thanks to what
must now be known on ARS as The Question.
Chris posted a message to soc.women asking if they realized that MoFo,
Dennis' law firm, was defending a well-known child support delinquent
and wife beater Dennis. S/he said that s/he was concerned "as a
working mother" with the fact that her daughter had a summer job at
the firm. The intent was to 'dead agent' MoFo in the same way they
have tried to involve Dennis in the past.
The effort was notably unsuccessful, with eloquent defenses of Dennis
from just about everyone notable on the newsgroup. I don't think her
effort convinced anyone, but it did raise an interesting question: Has
the CoS infiltrated MoFo, with Chris' daughter acting as CoS spy? If
so, this is indeed a fascinating chapter in the curious saga of
Scientology versus the Net.
Dennis Erlich, incidentally, says that security on the case is tight,
and he doesn't think Chris is telling the truth about this. I suppose
if they don't use anyone hired in the last six months on his case, it
would be pretty much impossible to break.
Let's hope so, anyway.
And is Chris really a working mother, or is she Gene Ingram or our old
friend Vera back to haunt us? Time will tell, perhaps.
bstone@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (Brian Stone)
Coherence of Content: Moderate
Level of interest: Extremely Boring
Relevance: High
Repetitiousness: Extreme
Courtesy: Ok other than extreme boredom
Humour: None whatsoever
Posts large number of "expertises" or testimonials on Scientology, all
from unidentified sources. Most of them are very similar to each
other; the posts get horribly boring very fast. There is also no
evidence to support the contention that the people mentioned in his
posts actually exist.
Recently, he seems to have started posting the sources of his
information. Most of the people whose existance can be verified are
charitable organizations to which Scientology has made substantial
contributions; I suspect the money motivated the responses. These
contributions, of course, have nothing whatsoever to do with the
quality of the Church's main business, or its treatment of
parishioners.
One brave critic tried calling some of the sources mentioned in a
Brian Stone message, and found that the people mentioned do not exist.
Whether this is true of all his messages is difficult to say, but it
definitely hurts his credibility.
jamesm@earthlink.net
A combination of Brian Stone and David Talbot.
niner1@netcom.com (Robert Adams)
Coherence of Content: Ok
Level of Interest: Boring
Relevance: High
Repetitiousness: High
Another Clambot.
aggy@netcom.com (James Parker)
Coherence of Content: Moderate
Level of Interest: Not yet determined
Relevance: High
Repetitiousness: Low
Courtesy: Moderate
Humour: None
An above average Scientologist, James can occasionally put together a
coherent sentence. He has not, however, learned how to give his
messages much in the way of entertainment value.
"Woody" seems to now be controlling this poster's brain, making him
far less interesting than he was in the past.
idiot@primenet.com (Jonathon)
Coherence of Content: Good
Level of Interest: Moderate
Repetitiousness: Moderate
Courtesy: Good
Humour: None, but high weirdness factor
A shadowy and mysterious figure, this person claims with incredible
precision that, due to established Church policy, Milne and Vera could
not possibly be OSA [Scientology's KGB] members.
Why? Because OSA members are not allowed to engage with the public in
forums; they would almost certainly not even post:
"CSI is *the* Church of Scientology. All other churches are further
down on the Command Channels.
"CSI consists solely of Sea Org members.
"No poster on this newsgroup is an active, official, valid Sea Org
member.
"Only Sea Org members could act as officieal representatives of the
Church of Scientology."
How does he know all this stuff? Good question; he claims to have no
affiliation whatsoever with the CoS or any of its various entities:
"I am not currently affiliated with the Church of Scientology,
any organization connected with the Church of Scientology, RTC,
any organization connected with RTC, ASI, any organization
connected with ASI, etc."
I can't help but wonder how he found out about all those acronyms; I
really don't think that anyone knows those who is not either active in
the church or is a pretty heavy Church critic. And this guy doesn't
read like a critic.
Bizarre.
Steve Marinick (stevem@primenet.com) reminds me to tell you that he's
an ex-Sea Org member. Or is he ex? Time will tell.
wonderfulr@aol.com (WONDERFULR)
Coherence of Content: Good
Level of Interest: Moderate
Relevance: High
Level of Interest: Good
Repetitiousness: Low
Courtesy: Medium
Humour: None
One of the better CoS posters, this user actually does respond in a
reasonably coherent way to anti-CoS posters. He doesn't reach the
high plane Whippersnapper and Elizabeth McCoy do, but he's not too
bad.
The main reason he doesn't get a higher rating is that he uses
arguments that have already been largely debunked in the
newsgroup.
Koos Nolst Trenite (ba170@fim.uni-erlangen.de)
Coherence of Content: Coherent to him, not to people trying to read it
Level of Interest: Content bewildering and incomprehensible
Relevance: High
Repetiousness: Moderate (most of the posts look and feel similar)
Courtesy: High. Surprisingly enough, a nice guy.
Humour: ?
Koos, who apparently worked closely with L Ron Hubbard at one time,
posts the results of "security check" audits conducted by him for the
Church of Scientology. The messages, alas, are formatted in a bizarre
way that makes him nearly incomprehensible. He won Kook of the Month
for March (or was it February?) for his messages, despite stiff
competition.
Tony Sidaway clarifies Koos: "Koos is an excommunicated
Scientologist. He is under the impression that he can channel LRH's
thoughts. He posted a comminique late in December 1994 announcing
that he had deposed David Miscavige as leader of the Church of
Scientology."
"He is NOT part of the OSA effort to "handle" a.r.s.
I asked Martin Hunt about Koos:
"He's married, I believe, and has a couple kids; he lives in Germany,
he watches videos. I IRC'ed with him once about 4-5 months ago.
Also, he is remarkably sane and rational in, er, virtual person. I
implored him to make me Hitler in a past life, but so far, he hasn't
gotten around to mentioning me as anything more than an institutional
case. Very unsatisfactory. ;("
L Sobocinski (76523.2236@compuserve.com)
Coherence of content: Decent
Level of Interest: Moderate
Relevance: High
Repetitiousness: Low
Humour: None
He used to post reasonably coherent stuff, but recently he has
descended closer to the Rick level
Tony Sidaway says that he's actually a decent guy in private mail.
an271524@anon.penet.fi (z. q. bOSWORTH-fIELD)
Coherence of Content: High, but odd quoting style make him hard to
read
Level of Interest: High
Relevance: High
Repetitiousness: None except for quoted text
Courtesy: High
Humour: None
Note: Z Q's name has recently changed to from z. q. dANZIG to
z. q. bOSWORTH-fIELD "Due to circumstances beyond my control"
This is one of the strangest posters on ars. He likes quoting large
blocks of previous conversations using odd codes ("zq6", "st3", "ts2")
instead of the usual ">" conventions. Other than that, he seems to be
fairly decent at engaging people in constructive dialogue.
Z Q has some interesting ideas about humour and his pro-CoS stance.
His feeling is that the religion of Scientology has been subject to
unpleasant discrimination by people such as ... well, us.
Unlike most Scientology posters, Z Q clearly has a mind of his own,
and that is to be applauded.
Elizabeth Mc Coy (emccoy@jade.mv.net)
Coherence of content: Excellent
Level of Interest: Very High
Relevance: Total
Repetitiousness: Non-existant
Courtesy: High
Humour: Excellent [change from previous version]
Everyone loves Elizabeth McCoy. She is perhaps the
only pro-Scientology poster who is in nobody's killfile.
And, best of all, she's back with her bum modem at
long last repaired, freely engaging in dialogue with
ARS posters.
<applause>
Her background is interesting: Her mother is
somewhere high up in the Scientology operation, and
Beth defends it on the basis that auditing has been
successful for her; however, she has received much of
it at no charge from her mother. As a result, the
prices of Scientology services don't affect her as
much as they do others. However, she has expressed a
willingness to buy services from the Church that she
finds of interest when her next book contract comes
in.
She's likeable, at times hilarious and very
intelligent. Scientology desperately needs more
people like her.
(Previous description of her follows, for historical
interest)
For once, a coherent and likeable Scientologist, well worth reading
when she posts. Highly respected by Scientology critics.
Tony Sidaway: "Has not posted in some time. Ron Newman keeps in
touch with her. One of her posts was sent to her local org and
there's a suspicion she is no longer allowed to post on ars because of
that. She was even better than WhipperSnapper as an advertisement for
Scientology. A great tragedy that she no longer posts."
Martin Hunt adds: "She has had no contact with the cult in five
years, she told me; her parents were Scientologists, but she is not.
She doesn't even classify as a public, so small is her contact with
the cult."
She came out of the woodwork in response to this section of my FAQ!
Here's her statement in response to the Players
FAQ. Note that the message actually reproduced was Martin Hunt's
reply to Elizabeth's original message; this is because her message
never made it to my site, while Martin's did.
u1c82@cc.keele.ac.uk (M Dunn)
Coherence of Content: Excellent
Level of Interest: High
Relevence: High
Repetitiousness: Low
Courtesy: Good
Humour: None
A first-rate advocate of Scientology, one of the few on the newsgroup.
Fully engages in dialogue with anti-Scientology forces.
Tony has kindly supplied the following person, who I have apparently
missed in my wanderings around the group:
Huheyniaman (anon.penit.fi account)
Coherence of Content: Poor
Level of Interest: Low
Relevance: Very Low
Repetitiousness: High
Humour: None. Pure vitriol
This guy's sole purpose for existing is to make Jeff Jacobsen's
existence difficult. Apparently has a personal grudge. Launched
thinly veiled attacks on the Cult Awareness Network (CAN) under the
guise of tutorials in Scientology.
----
Some legendary former posters, who seem to have been driven off the
newsgroup:
Whippersnapper (whipsnap@cris.com)
Coherence of Content: Excellent
Level of Interest: High
Relevance: High
Repetitiousness: Low
Humour: Unknown
Another competent Scientologist who engages in reasonably high
quality discussions with his opponents. Unfortunately, he appears to
have been chased off the group by his friends in Scientology, who
apparently resent the fact that he's been known to use his brain on
occasion. A halfway-intelligent organization would have encouraged
him.
The fact that one of Scientology's best advocates is chased off the
newsgroup by Scientology speaks volumes about the workings of the
organization. Their favourite posters seem to be the people who do
them the most harm.
He has been spotted on the newsgroup again, apparently none the worse
for wear. Perhaps some Scientologists have acquired a clue?
Jack Farmer
jack.farmer@crusade1.uucp.netcom.com
I haven't seen enough posts from this fellow to rate him
comprehensively, but he seems to be a reasonably intelligent COS
member.
Martin Hunt: "Jack and Sally [Hooper] had a wonderful Internet affair,
after one of them left the other's address at the bottom of a post.
Jack's an illegal PC, and is obsessed with fat cells, among other
things. He is the *original* ars spammer; he used to put out up to a
hundred posts a day in his efforts, most of which had a one-line
reply at the end, something like "Ha ha ha ha ha; worng agian, as per
usaul!", or "100% wroing, as usuall." He was wonderful with the
spelling errors, and was capable of ten or more in a *single*
sentence! ;)
"Jack's an old-timer; he goes back about two years or so."
Jet (jet@aloha.com)
Coherence of Content: Decent
Level of Interest: Higher than average
Relevance: High
Repetitiousness: Low
Humour: Some
(This is from memory and may not be accurate). Jet was one of the few
Scientologists on a.r.s who was not part of an organized attack on the
newsgroup by the Church. He engaged in genuine dialogue with the
anti-Scientologists. Although he generally didn't do frightfully well
in the engagements, he's remembered fondly as someone who made an
effort.
"Part of this dialogue was "The Troll". Martin Hunt explains: "He
came on as a critic last year, but I so successfully trolled him,
that I made him post critical posts to ars ... he then posted the
troll, a month after discovering how fooled he was. (I posted as
Jason Kries, OSA INT ARS Project I/C).
"He left in humiliation, after the expected praise for exposing me in
the "Martin Hunt, Bare-Faced Liar" series of posts turned against him
in grand style.
"He made a few feeble critical posts, and then departed in shame,
howls of laughter ushering him along."
(Apparently he is a Scientologist, but Martin's troll caused him to
look like something different. I'm still a little confused about this
one).
"Bring Back Vera and Jet" has been a recent rallying cry on the
newsgroup, due to their more enjoyable content.
Rem Walker (remwalk@directnet.com)
Coherence of content: Low
Level of interest: Abysmal
Relevance: Moderate
Repetitiousness: High
Humour: Unintentional
Another Woody clone.
People in the middle of the road
These people believe that CoS practices have value, but have split
from the church because of its unsavoury practices.
dwtripp@aol.com (DWTripp)
Coherence of Content: Excellent
Level of Interest: High
Relevance: High
Repetitiousness: Low
Humour: Some
An intelligent advocate of some Scientology principles.
homer@math.cornell.edu (Homer Wilson Smith)
A major member of the Free Zone. Again, for the Scientology "Tech",
against the Church as an organization.
Homer maintains the Lazarus Early Warning Alert system for cancels in
a.r.s.
-Anti-Scientologists
Nearly all anti-Scientologists make coherent, on-topic contributions
to the newsgroup. As a result, a detailed analysis of their message
style is not as necessary as with the pro-Scientologists.
Church of the SubGenius Members
The following people are leading Scientology critics, associated with
the Church of the SubGenius. The CoSG is a satirical organization
which believes in freedom of speech and "Slack" above all. These
posters tend to write both "serious critic" AND anti-Clambot
messages. As a result, they cannot be as easily categorized as the
people mentioned below.
William Barwell (wbarwell@starbase.neosoft.com), aka Pope Charles
The "ringleader" of the SubGeniuses, William is one of the best (and
funniest) Scientology critics around.
Some interesting coments kindly contributed by M L Poulter:
He was repeatedly accused of being the *moderator* of a.r.s.
Jet@aloha.com made this accusation a number of times. A whole load of
people suggested kindly that jet get a f*****g clue, and then one of the
churchies (David Talbot?) followed up, agreeing with Jet! After being
repeated ad nauseam and beyond, this allegation was dropped and never
heard of again.
modemac@netcom.com Finger him for a free CoSG pamphlet, although it's
just not the same without all the funny graphics. :-)
M L Poulter comments: Subgenius, longtime a.r.s participant and
maintainer of a cool ftp site. Victim, if that's the word, of another
crap attempt at "outing". Vera posted his real name to a.r.s, but this
completely failed to impress anyone: Modemac had been using his real
name on other groups for months.
TarlaStar (bmyers@ionet.net). Intelligent, witty, profane, funny.
"Outed" by the Scientologists. (See my Tactics FAQ for details)
Sister Clara (clara@holsoft.demon.co.uk), acolyte of Tarla
fetters@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu (Jim A Fetters) writes great
SubGenius-inspired parodies of Scientologist postings.
Ivan Stang, head of the Church of the SubGenius. Rarely posts on ars.
Rabbi Ben Meshugina (rabbiben@alpha.c2.org). Some excellent stories
Serious Critics
The following people are serious critics of Scientology, and normally
their posts contain a large amount of "hard" information on the Church:
Ex-Scientologists
Dennis.L.Erlich@support.com "That Person"; currently being sued by Church
His recent posts have been excellent.
Martin Hunt (uo880@freenet.victoria.bc.ca) May be next in line for lawsuit
Kim Baker (kim@uctlib.uct.ac.za) Perhaps the most eloquent and moving
anti-COS poster; see my archived posts on the first page for details
Patrick Jost (jost@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil)
alerma@dgsys.com (Alerma). Former Scientologist; posts affidavits
from FactNet.
Steve Whitlatch, an interesting former Scientologist
M L Poulter tells us of Joe Harrington: "FACTnet member who has posted
lots of useful FACTnet material. Joe is the author of 'Imagine the new
scientology world order' which gets reposted from time to time."
Freezoners
Rod Keller
Deirdre <deirdre@deeny.mv.com>. Prominent
Freezoner. According to M L Poulter, "Deirdre [the freezoner]:
subjected to extensive dead-agenting from Vera. Vera repeatedly
accused her of being fat (her point being...???) and claimed (without
evidence) that Deirdre had stolen a large sum of money from her org."
Homer
Enid
Jacobus
Doc Morgan
an126911@anon.penet.fi (Vega)
Skeptics
Tony@sidaway.demon.co.uk (Tony Sidaway)
M L Poulter comments on Tony: "He got involved immediately after the
raid on Dennis Erlich and since then has been the most prolific
critical poster. His postings can fairly be divided into "sensible"
and "silly" categories. An example of a sensible post is his summary
of the OT3 document. This drew a barrage of abuse from the clambots
who went eerily silent when asked to point out what, if anything, Tony
had got wrong. Tony has also built up a large list of factual
questions that Andrew Milne is unable to answer. On the silly side,
he derives a (literally) perverse pleasure from taunting Vera about
the size and/or smell of her panties. His increasing fascination with
this subject has led to his adopting the title "The Panty Inspector"."
an105662@anon.penet.fi (The Squirrelle). M L Poulter comments: The
Squirrelle: An australian skeptic. His posts are well worth reading,
combining the right proportions of fact, taunt and humour. Of
particular interest was a series of posts explaining how Dianetics can
rightly be considered a pseudo-science. The clambots' attempts to
dead-agent this character (several repetitions of "Squirrelly, you
lying gits!") have been amazingly inept.
Ashraf Ghebranious. Some very funny posts. M L Poulter says that he
deserves a special mention for mounting a one-man protest outside his
local org on March 13th. He intended to repeat the protest but agreed
to stop when the scienos made repeated harassing calls to his
employer. He is obviously the kind of critic that OSA don't want to
see: he has received considerable bile from Vera et al., including
Vera's classic "Ashraf can't be your real name, can it?" Quote from
Ashraf: "Remember, if you turn five people away from Scientology, you
have cost the Co$ a million dollars."
Brett Achorn (). Dedicated researcher, searches for defunct
Scientology corporations all over.
Diane Richardson (ao579@yfn.yfn.edu). Posts court transcripts of cases involving
Scientology; good sense of humour, too.
Tony McClelland: A member of CultAware, the Australian equivalent of CAN,
Tony posts very infrequently to a.r.s but when he does, he is well worth
reading. The net is grateful to him for exposing the Co$ claim to
have taught 2 million South African children to read as a lie. He posted in
full the correspondance with SA government officals which showed this.
Tony has been extensively and viciously dead-agented. He has been accused
by an OSA representative of wire-tapping and harassment, although once
again they have failed to produce any evidence.
Chris Schafmeister (schaf@cgl.uscf.edu). Biochemistry specialist.
Jim Lippard (lippard@primenet.com). Prominent skeptic, has matched contributions
to Erlich fund.
an190820@anon.penet.fi (Prignillius)
pim@nepac.ucsd.edu (P van Meurs>.
peter@petermc.demon.co.uk (Peter McDermott)
lazyboy@ix.netcom.com (Stephen Jones)
tommyc@kaiwan.com (Tom Collins)
Andrew Testa (testa@hou.moc.com): another prominent skeptic
("Contributing to the downfall of Scientology since 1995"). Andrew's
.sig mentions Xenu, and there have been a few incidents of apologists
following up his posts and *deleting the Xenu reference from the
quoted .sig*! It is unclear what this is supposed to achieve.
UNIXer@unix.xite.com (UNIXer) Often very funny posts. Note that all
of this person's posts are forgeries; he has no valid email address to
share with us.
plmlp@mail.bris.ac.uk (ML. Poulter) Runs a Scientology Web site,
http://mail.bris.ac.uk/~plmlp
Grady Ward (grady@netcom.com). From M L Poulter:
The scieno's seem very frightened of this man, and with good
reason. He says that freedom of speech is his own religion. He is inviting
people to send to him, by post or by secure email, extracts from the cult's
secret scriptures. He fully expects to be raided by the cult, but says he
is prepared for such an event. He has received extensive harassment from
Eugene Ingram, a PI working for the cult- details are on Ron Newman's Web
page. In response to this he has somehow obtained Ingram's personal
details and used them to file charges.
Grady's posts to a.r.s are usually bitter taunts against the cult, which
aren't that much fun to read if you're a critic, but which must make
Helena Kobrin's blood boil!
grizzly@ionet.net [A certified "ars bigot" per Woody, which see].
stevea@castlsys.demon.co.uk (Steve)
Deana Holmes (mirele@xmission.com)
stevem@primenet.com (Steven Marinick)
imxenu@ibm.net (Steve Winslow) [Also noname@ibm.net,
wendel@wendel.se]
Dan Mckinnon (dan.mckinnon@canrem.com)
hkhenson@shell.portal.com (H Keith Henson)
Lenny Gray (lenngray@netcom.com)
smokesig@ix.netcom.com (Neal Hamel)
cuthulu@unicomp.net (Kevan Smith)
a-johnc@ac.tandem.com (clark_john_w)
Gr0nD (gr0nd@alpha.c2.org)
visnet@onramp.net (Sri Changiana Saar).
ML Poulter comments:
Vera made a cock-up trying to "out" this guy. She posted
a name (and address?- unsure of this) which she said was SCS's real name.
It turned out that SCS was an identity used by a *group* of people. The
one who was posting criticism of Scientology was *not* the owner of the
account, whom Vera had named.
marcus@pavilion.co.uk (Marcus Pennell)
Jeff Jacobsen (cultxpt@primenet.com): CAN Member. M L Poulter
comments: Very articulate, to-the-point posting style. He maintains an
ftp site with the all-important affidavits from the Fishman case and
is the author of several essays on cults and on Dianetics. JJ knows
about cults through personal experience (don't remember which cult,
though). JJ is a CAN member and, perhaps because of this, has drawn
particular venom from the apologists. Russell Shaw has threatened to
picket the JJ's dances in return for his picketing of a Scientology
org.
sgoehrin@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (scott goehring) Original creator of
alt.religion.scientology; done originally "as a joke".
an179159@anon.penet.fi (John Gaunt)
m. council (council@luna.cas.usf.edu)
watchernet@aol.com (Watchernet)
an230931@anon.penet.fi (Xenu Marcarbian II)
M L Poulter wants to add sliver, "another sharp critic. Recently
returned to a.r.s after a long break. The scienos seem particularly
interested in this person. They have posted an allegation that sliver
is ex-scieno Robert Vaughn Young, seemingly in order to get someone to
let slip his real identity. "
Serious Critic, interesting special case
kenlong@netcom.com (Ken Long). According to Tony Sidaway: "Supports
Scientology (which he refers to as "the subject"). Opposes most of
current activities on the net, for reasons, he says, of Scientology
ethics. Compare to a fundementalist Jew who opposes the state of
Israel on bibical grounds. Ken did some work at Flag for which he was
not paid. He wants equity, not revenge." Now "considers himself a
Free Zoner", per Deirdre. (Tony Sidaway predicted that this would
happen).
The "Clambot Brigade"
Most posts from these people are arguments with the worst of the
"Clambots". They tend to be must-reads if you want a good laugh; look
elsewhere if you want to read serious discussions.
The R R M Tweek (tweek@ccnet.com)
Wayn McGilligray (wmcgillivray@oavax.csuchico.edu)
anon2c9e@nyx10.cs.du.edu (henry). Unpleasant to read due to extreme
rudeness, but often puts in some very funny jabs. Viciously attacked
by COS
ladyada@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Just say No to CO$)
The Defenders of The Net
These people have no relation to Scientology, and no real interest in
it except as it affects the Internet. Their posts tend to be both
interesting and on topic
Ron Newman (rnewman@mit.edu)
For continuous updates on this subject, check out his outstanding home
page: http://www2.thecia.net/users/rnewman/home.html
Rachel Kadel (rkadel@fas.harvard.edu). Both funny and intelligent;
worth a look.
David H Dennis (david@amazing.cinenet.net). Me. Ahem. You can judge
for yourself. :-)
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