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Re Anits - A note to

By an309929@anon.penet.fi (Propheteer)
Thu, 20 Jul 1995 13:17:44 UTC

On Wed Jul 19 09:16:34 EDT 1995, Robert Marcus <102020.1551@CompuServe.COM> , in a message entitled "Anits - A note to", implored as follows:

>Where are the solutions from the Antis regarding the problems of
>man? What the hell are they fighting for if not for a better
>world or for what they feel would be some benefit stemming from
>their so-called cause? One would think that would be something
>stated. Still haven't read a thing from any of the 20 or so Anti
>C of S Cultists. Since none has been offered, one must conclude
>that these are the acts of desparate men and women clutching to
>some dim hope of a battle long ago lost. Pity they think they
>are in the present. They are not. They know not of whom they
>perceive as their enemy, rather their true enemy is long gone,
>dissolved to dust and forever more.
The easiest answer to your question is that the critics of Scientology perceive it as an evil, and that its removal would be itself a step towards making the world a better place. Indeed, dare I suggest, this answer ought to have occurred to you.

>I mean, there is this mad push to rid the world of Scientology.
>What do they propose in its absence? What is their vision of an
>ideal world?
How does it follow that opposition to Scientology obliges one to propose something to replace it? Consider the form of your argument applied to crime:

"There is this mad push to rid the world of crime. What do they propose in its absence?"

If you can accept that the Antis believe Scientology to be a particular sort of criminal conspiracy (you do not need to accept that it IS, only that others believe it to be), then you will be able to make sense of their motives and actions. Moreover, you will be more able to deal with their objections by showing them that Scientology is NOT an evil criminal organization. As it stands, your rhetoric is far from persuasive.

>Do they want freedom for man? Slavery? A world without
>criminality? A world of criminals? A-bomb warfare? One World
>Government? A Brave New World? WHAT?!?
Presumably, freedom. And a world with less criminality, though a crimeless world is undoubtedly an unrealistic expectation. A-bomb warfare would certainly seem to be something to be avoided. As for World Government, I expect a.r.s opinion is as divided as it is in any other assortment of world citizens.

>Should mankind subscribe to one religion? No religion? Are
Speaking for myself, I have no desire to dictate the religious beliefs of anyone.

>they, in their meager attempts via a screwy Internet computer
>world with dummied up "documents", attempting world dominance or
>are actually thinking they are going to silence the greatest
>movement this planet has seen in over 2500 years? Absurd. Yet
Neither, I suspect. World dominance does not seem to be the goal of the Antis, and I don't think any of them believe Scientology qualifies as the greatest movement in over 2500 years. Indeed, I'm inclined to agree, at least so far; by your own claims, there are 8 million Scientologists. Speaking only of religious movements, both Christianity and Islam are fairly great movements of the last 2000 years, and by sheer numbers, each dwarfs Scientology by a hundredfold. A ten thousandfold, if the more conservative estimate of 100,000 Scientologists is used.

>they continue to dupe themselves with their delusion of power.
>The cannot act, though they believe they can. All is delusion
>for us who observe them. Maybe they feel that their 20 or so
>could win a fist fight against the 8 million. The reality of
>their power is all two dimensional, digital babble amongst
>themselves with an electric, telephone and lawyer bills at the
>end of the month, with a tremendous hatred eating away their very
>existence more and more and more with every passing moment they
>engage in their losing battle -- their every attention unit stuck
>solidly for literally no other activity to share the remaining
>space or time within their universes. This is what will kill
>them dead. My God, how utterly trapped they are.
>Now, are they in favor of prayer in public schools? What would
>they do then? Are they Christian Fundamentalists? Or just
>mentalists? Do they have any faith at all, other than something
>on the order of "We have faith that Scientology will vanish" or
>some such quip. All too predictable. It is tragic that there is
>such a vast void in the very fabric of their soul and certainly
>no real peace. They are the truly ill of planet earth,
>physically and mentally. They honor no god, no morals as they
>are incapable. Friends, they hate love. They "love to hate".
>But they actually hate themselves contrary to any utterance to
>the contrary. If only they could take an honest look at their
>existence. They cannot.
>It appears rather odd the onslaught against some, in their
>opinion, threat, yet there seems to be no actual cause or benefit
>involved, at least for the masses. Apparently it is just a very
>small mob looking to victory but only for themselves. Very tiny
>beings creating a very small effect. Ah, but let them delusion
>on. They are beyond repair. Their love lost for all eternity.
>This is their trade off. And without love, they are dead. Any
>love they professes is a pretense. They cannot experience real
>love. Sexual love, as an example, would manifest itself as
>punishment with these fellows. Pity their families and loved
>ones. Reminds me of the movie Superman in which the three
Superman II, was it not?

>criminals were placed in a two dimensional rectangle and sent off
>into the depths of the universe for all eternity as their
>punishment. The difference is that these folks will be confined
>to the two dimensional universe of cyber space for all eternity.
>However, as I stated earlier, to the degree one hates is to the
>degree one must have loved in the first place. There is the
>possibility that one who reads this will make a change in their
>life. There is always hope for that one. The door is always
>opened if even but a crack.
I should like to make a few remarks concerning the style of your post. Here are two noteworthy samples:

>But they actually hate themselves contrary to any utterance to
>the contrary.
Redundant, and also repetitive as well, also, besides.

> [...] All is delusion
>for us who observe them.
I am certain this is not what you meant to say, although the Antis will be glad to agree that it is true.

Let me just suggest that before you post an attempt at profound and inspirational rhetoric, you might do well to ask someone else to have a look at it first. If you like, I'd be willing to proofread your next big message for you.

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