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Email from Robert Marcus (was Re: Apology to Anti CofS Cultists)

By dcs@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (David C Smith)
17 Jul 1995 08:47:01 -0500

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I just received email from Robert, apparently in response to the post I made below (and emailed Robert). I won't post the email, but I'll give a synopsis of it.

	1. "Hey asshole, what the fuck response was that?" - Ok,
		I will quote the opening sentence word for word.
	2. My apology was sincere
	3. Your post was fucking BS
	4. MAKE WRONG! (huh?)
	5. You probably abuse your children if you have any
	6. You probably beat your wife
	7. Lighten up
	8. Learn to acknowledge an apology "when it
		comues your way"

Now let's spin the wheel of Hubbard, and see where Robert's comm lands...... From L. Ron Hubbard's (aka Phatso) _Science of Survival_, page 88:

(describing Column K of the the "Tone Scale", "Speech, Talks; Speech, Listens)

[beginning of extract]
At 2.0 we reach a level of antagonistic conversation. The individual is apt to nag or to make derogatory comments to invalidate other people. On this level the individual can only be roused by nagging, nasty cracks, invalidations, and other antagonistic communication.

At the 1.5 tone level, we have a shutting off of other persons' conversation, a complete refusal to listen, and efforts to destroy incoming conversation. The conversation which is given forth by an individual at this level is forthrightly destructive and is given without any thought of the possible relaliation which may result from this destructiveness. Conversation on this level could hardly be called conversation, as it is a forward motion toward destruction and a refusal to accept anything which might prevent that destruction.

[end of extract]

It looks to me Robert's comm is most likely in the area of the 1.5 tone level, and he may be approaching the infamous 1.1 level. IMHO, of course. Disclaimer: I am not an auditor <puke>, just using cult reference materials and applying their tech <double puke> to the words and actions of a cult member.

In article <3udhr6$skh@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>, David C Smith <dcs@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>In article <3ucnfj$jf3$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>,
>Robert Marcus <102020.1551@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>>On July 16, Robert Marcus wrote re: Diane Richardson:
>>
>>>Give it up, Richardson. Start digging your grave
>>>instead. You'll be there any day now, most likely sooner than
>>>you think and 6 feet closer to your ultimate destination.
>>
>>The response I recieved via e-mail was astounding. My, I sure
>>can create an effect. But there was no actual threat intended at
>>all. Satirical, yes. Threat, no.
>
>Robert, this is not the first time you have "threatened"
>anti-Church posters on alt.religion.scientology. Your previous
>"Goodbye" which you posted 4 times contained similar threats,
>but they were not aimed at 1 specific person as you have done
>in the message the above is quoted from. This kind of behaviour
>is totally and completely uncalled for in a forum such as
>the Internet and alt.religion.scientology specifically.
>
>If you simply wanted to create an "effect" or get everyone
>in alt.religion.scientology "riled up", you hae done that.
>However, death threats are an unacceptable way of getting
>peoples attention! Death threats are NOT satirical!
>
>>So, I do apologise to Diane and the other Anti-Cult Cultists if
>>my statements were interpreted as an actual threat or did indeed
>>make anyone fear for their very lives, such as they are. I meant
>>no harm.
>
>Find your ethics, Robert, quickly.
>
>>Maybe there is more we all can learn from Rodney King -- "Can't
>>we all just get along?"
>
>
>
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